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Silent Bob
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le8608.htm
Mõtlemapanev või mis!?
Silent Bob, master of paranoia!
Mõtlemapanev või mis!?
Silent Bob, master of paranoia!
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Silent Bob
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Kaua võib...
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......ja pistke peesse oma aktsiis ja maksud.........ja lõppude lõpuks käivad tööl ainult lollid targemad inimesed varastavad.Kaua võib... kirjutas:Krt kaua võib sellest lääne kirvest kütusehinnast rääkida!!! Targemad mehed nagu näiteks mina, ostavad venemaalt toodud kütust. Odavam ja palju kvaliteetsem!!!
Tore et on julgeid mehi kes varastavad ja julgevad seda ka tunnistada....
/me hakkab ka nüüd varastama
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piiks
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Mul pole vist suurt vahet bikega maksab 100 km kütus ~100.-Motopaks kirjutas:no siis tuleb lihtsalt 8 kuu asemel 12 kuud tsikliga sõitma hakata.
mulle sobib
motopaks
jeebuga 100 km kütus ~125.-
pole just märkimisväärne vahe. Aga jeepu ma tangin ka vedelgaasiga muideks, kui keegi veel ei tea. Kuigi ka gaasi hind on nati kerkinud on praeguseks vahe bensiiniga märkimisväärne. Benaga maksaks 100 km eest kuskil 175.-
Some rules can be bent. Others can be broken.
Танки грязи не боятся !!!
In god I trust, all others pay cash !
Ära usalda naist ... ja pidureid !
Танки грязи не боятся !!!
In god I trust, all others pay cash !
Ära usalda naist ... ja pidureid !
Kuldne püstol?
Tegelikult on mingi keemiline lisand lisatud. Väidetavalt põleb paremini ja puhtamalt ning seega on kulu väiksem.
Olengi seda viimasel ajal kasutanud, aga näiteks tsikli juures ei ole küll mitte mingit erinevust märganud. Auto kompuuter näitab tähtsusetult pisikest kulu vähenemist, aga see on ehk talve lõppemisega seotud...
Tegelikult on mingi keemiline lisand lisatud. Väidetavalt põleb paremini ja puhtamalt ning seega on kulu väiksem.
Olengi seda viimasel ajal kasutanud, aga näiteks tsikli juures ei ole küll mitte mingit erinevust märganud. Auto kompuuter näitab tähtsusetult pisikest kulu vähenemist, aga see on ehk talve lõppemisega seotud...
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pacaan
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- Tsikkel: ZX12R turbo
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Suuri erinevusi ei saa tava 95EURO-ga olla, muidu ei müüks nad seda tavahinnaga. Ilmselt mingi iga kütusepartii (tava 95 EURO) hulka sortsutatav lisand, nagu ikka kõikvõimalikel ultima/futura/energy jms kütustel. Lisandi kontsentratsioon, kui seda üldse viitsitakse juurde valada on nii väike, et mingit ulmelist mõju ei saa see avaldada.alar kirjutas:Juba mõnda aega müüakse UNO X tanklates 95 nitro3000 bensiini tava 95 hinnaga. Asi arvatavasti selles, et kalli hinnaga keegi seda ei ostnud ja nüüd enne "best before" asi tünnidest maha müüa vaja. Oskab äkki keegi asjatundja öelda mis on selle nitro 3000 eelis tavalise 95 ees?
Teised põhjused, miks nad seda sama hinnaga kui tava praegu müüvad - (halb)marketing ja asjaolu, et kütuse kasumimarginaal on viimase paari nädala jooksul oluliselt tõusnud - praegu saab odavamalt müüa.
pacaan@käsi kütusebusinessis sees
8,64 @ 1/4 - Kawasaki ZX12R turbo
9,09 @ 1/4 - Suzuki Hayabusa turbo
9,8x @ 1/4 - Kawasaki ZX6R
9,09 @ 1/4 - Suzuki Hayabusa turbo
9,8x @ 1/4 - Kawasaki ZX6R
Keegi võiks ilma lisanditeta kütust kah müüa... aga ei... AAAGA EI!
Ikka on vaja mingit kräppi sisse lisada.
Mootor pole mõeldud selle kräpiga töötama.. tanklatele lihtsalt parem võimalus raha teha.
Asja eest teist taga situb küünlad ja kogu süsteemi ära, endise ratta ajas kokku kah veel.
Ostke kuskilt puhast 102-te (lennuki kütust) kui saate.. ning proovige!
Saate aru mis vahe on bensiinil ja bensiinil.
Ja see räigelt märgatav vahe ei tule kindlasti mitte sellest, et oktaanarv on kõigest SIIPAKENE suurem...
Ikka on vaja mingit kräppi sisse lisada.
Mootor pole mõeldud selle kräpiga töötama.. tanklatele lihtsalt parem võimalus raha teha.
Asja eest teist taga situb küünlad ja kogu süsteemi ära, endise ratta ajas kokku kah veel.
Ostke kuskilt puhast 102-te (lennuki kütust) kui saate.. ning proovige!
Saate aru mis vahe on bensiinil ja bensiinil.
Ja see räigelt märgatav vahe ei tule kindlasti mitte sellest, et oktaanarv on kõigest SIIPAKENE suurem...
puhas lennuk on vähe liiga kuiv. Nii et peaks segama teda ikka pooleks tavalisega.
Nii et hea bensu proovimiseks ikka kas elf racing, neste racing vms. bens.
Kahetaktimehed võiks proovida saebensu. Müüakse valmis segu näiteks loodusinvestis, baltoili oma. On ilusti saastast puhastatud ja põleb ilusti.
Nii et hea bensu proovimiseks ikka kas elf racing, neste racing vms. bens.
Kahetaktimehed võiks proovida saebensu. Müüakse valmis segu näiteks loodusinvestis, baltoili oma. On ilusti saastast puhastatud ja põleb ilusti.
palju sellised kütused tavalisest "poekütusest" kallimad on?racerx kirjutas:puhas lennuk on vähe liiga kuiv. Nii et peaks segama teda ikka pooleks tavalisega.
Nii et hea bensu proovimiseks ikka kas elf racing, neste racing vms. bens.
Kahetaktimehed võiks proovida saebensu. Müüakse valmis segu näiteks loodusinvestis, baltoili oma. On ilusti saastast puhastatud ja põleb ilusti.
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mx77
- Postitusi: 8447
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Mis puudutab lennukibena. C&P ühelt usa lehelt. Kirjutaja on proff kütusespets.
There are at least 100 different threads on race fuel & AvGas that will explain all this in excrutiating detail.
Here's just one of mine that I found.
The simple answer is:
100LL (Blue) Avgas seems to be the most readily available version so I'm assuming that's what we are talking about. 100LL Avgas USUALLY isn’t the best choice but it won't hurt anything.
** For those of you in a hurry, or just sick of me rambling on about this crap skip down to the bottom of the thread to the >>>>>> for a summation.
For those of you still with me, here are some details.
Contrary to popular belief this isn't 100-octane fuel. Aviation fuels are rated on an ASTM Lean/Rich performance number system. 100LL is rated at 91/96 By comparison; Unocal Leaded race gas that is used in lots of spec fuel racing classes has performance number of 112/160. 100LL is closer to 91 octane (MON); by comparison VP C12 is rated at 108 (MON).
For our purposes Avgas has a couple of problems:
1) The 90% boiling point for 100LL Blue Avgas is set at 275 degrees F, which in an engine that turns over 7000 rpm will likely make less power than a fuel that has it's 90% point lower. Pump gas has similar problems, but most good race gas will have 90% Point MUCH lower. As an example Phillips B32 has a 90% boiling point around 235 degrees F and VP C12 has a 90% boiling point around 220 degrees F.
2) Depending on the refiner 100LL can have fairly high aromatic hydrocarbon content, in the 30% by weight range. This level of aromatics will tend to make the throttle response mushy and flat in applications that see big throttle opening transitions on a regular basis. It's similar to what happens when you dump a lot of Toluene based octane booster in your fuel. Throttle response becomes a distant memory.
3) The vapor pressure and distillation curve of Avgas just doesn't seem right for our purposes. The distillation curve or Volatility curve of a fuel determines to a large degree the warm-up, transitional (on & off) throttle response, and acceleration characteristics of an engine.
Here's the simplified version:
A fuels distillation curve designates the maximum temperatures at which various points between 10% and 90% of the fuel will be evaporated as well as the maximum end point temperature. So for any Engine/Air Temperature combination there is a minimum volatility that is required for proper running. As you probably know gasoline is made up of different hydrocarbons, with different boiling points. By combining these
Hydrocarbons together you get a Distillation/Volatility curve. Some hydrocarbons (light ends) boil off at low temps some at much higher temps. Depending on the intended application, a petrochemist will blend hydrocarbons to get a curve that matches the rpm range, temp, altitude, and acceleration characteristics for the application. The problem with avgas as a race fuel is the fact it is blended for an application where
Acceleration and throttle response is not a high priority. If you think about the average light airplane application, you're talking about a fairly low compression engine that runs in a fairly narrow rpm band, and is rarely called on to provide the type of transitional throttle response that a high rpm, acceleration critical application like motocross does. What's more important to the Avgas designer is controlling mixture strength by eliminating the possibility of vapor lock and icing while making sure that light end hydrocarbon fractions don't boil off too early. The lowered rpm ranges used in these engines allow them to push the boiling point up on the upper end as well. As you can see, by using straight Avgas or by mixing various types of fuel together you are modifying a number of important fuel design parameters. You may hit on a combination that works well, but more likely you'll have an engine that doesn't detonate, but doesn't accelerate very well either. So Avgas is SAFE, but not a very good choice. The high paraffinic hydrocarbon content of 100LL makes a very good base stock if you want to play back yard petrochemist, and I believe this is how some of the smaller race fuel blenders start out. I can tell you from experience that it's a ***** to document and test various changes unless you have a lot of time and patience, so trying to come up with your own Super Fuel is probably more trouble than it is worth.
There are at least 100 different threads on race fuel & AvGas that will explain all this in excrutiating detail.
Here's just one of mine that I found.
The simple answer is:
100LL (Blue) Avgas seems to be the most readily available version so I'm assuming that's what we are talking about. 100LL Avgas USUALLY isn’t the best choice but it won't hurt anything.
** For those of you in a hurry, or just sick of me rambling on about this crap skip down to the bottom of the thread to the >>>>>> for a summation.
For those of you still with me, here are some details.
Contrary to popular belief this isn't 100-octane fuel. Aviation fuels are rated on an ASTM Lean/Rich performance number system. 100LL is rated at 91/96 By comparison; Unocal Leaded race gas that is used in lots of spec fuel racing classes has performance number of 112/160. 100LL is closer to 91 octane (MON); by comparison VP C12 is rated at 108 (MON).
For our purposes Avgas has a couple of problems:
1) The 90% boiling point for 100LL Blue Avgas is set at 275 degrees F, which in an engine that turns over 7000 rpm will likely make less power than a fuel that has it's 90% point lower. Pump gas has similar problems, but most good race gas will have 90% Point MUCH lower. As an example Phillips B32 has a 90% boiling point around 235 degrees F and VP C12 has a 90% boiling point around 220 degrees F.
2) Depending on the refiner 100LL can have fairly high aromatic hydrocarbon content, in the 30% by weight range. This level of aromatics will tend to make the throttle response mushy and flat in applications that see big throttle opening transitions on a regular basis. It's similar to what happens when you dump a lot of Toluene based octane booster in your fuel. Throttle response becomes a distant memory.
3) The vapor pressure and distillation curve of Avgas just doesn't seem right for our purposes. The distillation curve or Volatility curve of a fuel determines to a large degree the warm-up, transitional (on & off) throttle response, and acceleration characteristics of an engine.
Here's the simplified version:
A fuels distillation curve designates the maximum temperatures at which various points between 10% and 90% of the fuel will be evaporated as well as the maximum end point temperature. So for any Engine/Air Temperature combination there is a minimum volatility that is required for proper running. As you probably know gasoline is made up of different hydrocarbons, with different boiling points. By combining these
Hydrocarbons together you get a Distillation/Volatility curve. Some hydrocarbons (light ends) boil off at low temps some at much higher temps. Depending on the intended application, a petrochemist will blend hydrocarbons to get a curve that matches the rpm range, temp, altitude, and acceleration characteristics for the application. The problem with avgas as a race fuel is the fact it is blended for an application where
Acceleration and throttle response is not a high priority. If you think about the average light airplane application, you're talking about a fairly low compression engine that runs in a fairly narrow rpm band, and is rarely called on to provide the type of transitional throttle response that a high rpm, acceleration critical application like motocross does. What's more important to the Avgas designer is controlling mixture strength by eliminating the possibility of vapor lock and icing while making sure that light end hydrocarbon fractions don't boil off too early. The lowered rpm ranges used in these engines allow them to push the boiling point up on the upper end as well. As you can see, by using straight Avgas or by mixing various types of fuel together you are modifying a number of important fuel design parameters. You may hit on a combination that works well, but more likely you'll have an engine that doesn't detonate, but doesn't accelerate very well either. So Avgas is SAFE, but not a very good choice. The high paraffinic hydrocarbon content of 100LL makes a very good base stock if you want to play back yard petrochemist, and I believe this is how some of the smaller race fuel blenders start out. I can tell you from experience that it's a ***** to document and test various changes unless you have a lot of time and patience, so trying to come up with your own Super Fuel is probably more trouble than it is worth.
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kahjuks kütuse hinnal arenguruumi küll.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ ... gasprices/
suht suur kontrast valitseb maailmas, ilmselt ka kvaliteedil.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ ... gasprices/
suht suur kontrast valitseb maailmas, ilmselt ka kvaliteedil.
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xzburnoutzx
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Täna tõusis Statoilis Euro 95 kütus 13.35-ele ja 98 Euro Ultima oli ligi 14.00 eek.
Tekib väike soov Venetsueelas eladafastMF kirjutas:kahjuks kütuse hinnal arenguruumi küll.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ ... gasprices/
suht suur kontrast valitseb maailmas, ilmselt ka kvaliteedil.
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